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Old 06-28-2008, 05:11 PM   #1
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The journey of my life

This journey will be about my switch from Christianity to Orthodox Judaism – and the switch is based on historical facts about the historical person Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah.

I was born in the year of 1984 in Vĺrberg in Stockholm [Sweden]. Seven months later my family moved to Täby, north of Stockholm, and I have lived in Täby since then. I enjoy the surroundings where we live; there is a lot of nature. The nature I have enjoyed for a long time; lakes, forests, oceans, beautiful sunsets and the chirping of birds.

When I am out and talking a walk, for example along a lake, which I think is a fantastic experience; then I am often thankful to ha-Sheim – the Creator of this universe – that I have reached the point in my walk where I am today. When I am out walking in the nature it is hard to not believe that the fantastic view is the result of a Creator; that everything would be the result of a chance I consider as a very illogical alternative.

Eternity. What happens after death; that is something that I have thought much about during my life. I remember that I asked my father about that when I was about ten years old. For some time I believed that there were nothing that happened after death; but I didn't want it to be in that way. I have had several nightmares, perhaps mainly when I was in the years around 10; for example nightmares about that I had died. Now I do know what happens after death. Those who do their best to practice the many mitzwot (commandments) in Torâh (the Jewish Bible) come to heaven when they die.

I am not perfect; when I break a commandment of Torâh (the Jewish Bible) by mistake I can turn around and there is atonement for the mistake. ha-Sheim is perfect. Just as a parent has requirements of her children, does the Creator have requirements of the humans He has created, and whom He loves. There are moral laws which are for all people. There is a book of instructions – Torâh; all people will be judged after if they have followed Torâh to there utmost of their ability or not. In Hebrew Torâh means instruction.

My time as a Christian was filled with much emotions. I had many strong emotional experiences. My faith in Jesus and my love to god grew stronger and stronger. I visited Church regularly, I prayed much and I studied the Christian "NT" much.
Some years later: My longing to live in Israel grew stronger and stronger, as did my love for the Jews; I prayed much for them. I read much about Israel and I studied Israeli newspapers on the internet. It was in a comment to an article in an Israeli newspaper that I in 05-2007 found the Nәtzârim website

This website captured my attention directly! I sooned learned that Ribi Yәhoshua and lә-havdil J*esus were two different persons. Ribi Yәhoshua is the historical person that was born 7 years before our time in Beit-Lëkhëm. He grew up in Nazareth. He taught in different Jewish Synagogues (corresponding to todays Orthodox Jewish Synagogues) and took care of the sick. Year C.E. 30 the Romans crucified him on a cross. It is documented that his talmidim were named Nәtzârim. They were accepted among the other Torâh-practicing Jews (corresponding to today's Orthodox Jews) and prayed with them. C.E 135 Nәtzârim were expelled from Yәrushâlayim together with the other Jews.
The same year is the year for the first Christian bishop. Christianity spread the concept of J*esus, which came to replace Torâh. The difference is diametrical to the historical Ribi Yәhoshua who loved Torâh and practiced Torâh to the utmost of his ability.
(Sources; for example: Eusebius Ecclesiastical History IV.vi.3-4; IV.v.1-4; V.xii.1 )

Ribi Yәhoshua, whom I thought I have followed since 2001 when I became a Christian, did practice that which is corresponding to today's Orthodox Judaism. This realization does, of course, have consequences. I have since 05/2007 completely stopped the practice of Christianity and I do instead practice Orthodox Judaism. Just like Ribi Yәhoshua's followers, the Nәtzârim, I regard NT (which Christians call their "New Testament") as a document that contradicts Tana"kh; and therefore I regard it as a document, which I don't follow.

Just like Ribi Yәhoshua, I want to do my utmost to practice the mitzwot (commandments) of Torâh. I am a human loved by ha-Sheim and just like all other humans I have my weaknesses. I know that it isn't impossible to do the utmost of one's ability to follow Torâh. ha-Sheim don't require us to be perfect; He requires us to do our best to practice His Torâh.
As I said in the beginning of this presentation I am very thankful to ha-Sheim – the Creator - that He has taken me to the point where I am today. I look with excitement forward to practice more and more of the commandments of Torâh.

From Anders Branderud
www.netzarim.co.il; click at the link “Christians” and you will find some of my sources.
Follower of Ribi Yehoshua – the Messias – in Orthodox Judaism
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The arguments generally adduced by theologians in proof of the being of God are:

(1) The a priori argument, which is the testimony related to reason.

(2) The a posteriori argument, by which we proceed logically from obvious historical and present facts of experience to causes. These arguments are:

(2a) The cosmological, by which it is proved that there must be a first cause of all things, for every effect must have a cause.

(2b) The teleological, or the argument from design. With our five senses, we perceive everywhere the phenomena and operations of intelligent design in nature.

(2c) The moral argument, called also the anthropological argument, based on the moral consciousness and the history of mankind, which exhibits a moral order and purpose which can only be explained on the supposition of the existence of God. Conscience and human history testifies that "truthfully there is a God who judges in the earth."

Conceptualizing and defining The Holy Trinity (pertaining to THE Creator GOD) is best done by:

(a) recognizing names of God given throughout Old and New Testament Scripture, and
(b) analyzing characteristics and functions associated with names of God given throughout Old and New Testament Scripture.

Two prominent Hebrew designations for the Creator given in the Old Testament are: Yahweh and Elohim.

It is somewhat confusing that the KJV used the word "Lord" in place of Yahweh, because correct equivalence of the English word "Lord" is the Hebrew word: Adonai referring to: Jesus, the Son of God. Accurate English Old-Testament translations use "Jehovah" or "LORD" (all capitals) for the Old-Testament word occurrences of Yahweh. The "Spirit (of God)" also is found within the Old Testament.

Though credit for creation is said to have been done by "the Father" in the Nicene Creed, the work and accomplishment of creation is actually credited to the Son Jesus, as it states by the following New-Testament passages:

Col 1:16 for in [the Son of God] all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities--all things were created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Heb 1:10 [Of The Son He says:] "You, Lord, did establish the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

One also could wrongly presume, by the wording of the Nicene Creed and other literature, that the word "begotten" implies that the Son of God was conceived or birthed or fathered by The Almighty Father in Heaven before all time, before Christ was conceived in the womb of Mary. That presumption, of course, is errant - being that the Son of God of the Triune Godhead has always existed long before being conceived in Mary. Use of the weird English word "begotten" is lamentable, being that it is easy to miscomprehend, since with humans the word is associated with human fathers being an integral part of the production and maintenance of their male or female offspring. The English-transliterated Greek-word source of "begotten" is instead: generated.

Because of that, it is easy to understand why Jesus the Son of God equated Himself with God Almighty (El Shaddai) and part of that trinitarian Elohim Who spoke to Moses (recorded in Exodus chapter 3) from the burning bush:

2 And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and lo, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, "I will turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."
3 Then Moses said to God, "If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?"
14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you': this is my name for ever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

As in indicated in Hebrew Name for God - Adonai, examples of the Hebrew word for "Lord" which is: Adonai (and the pronunciation of YHWH as "Adonai") is found in Genesis 15:2, Deuteronomy 10:17, Psalm 8:1, and Isaiah 6:1.

Combinations of "Spirit" and "Lord" or God" or "GOD" and so forth are described in The Hebrew Name for God - The Spirit of God (Ruach Elohim) as with the following examples:

Ruach Elohim = The Spirit of GOD (Genesis 1:2, Numbers 24:2)
Ruach Adonai = The Spirit of the LORD (Isaiah 11:2, Ezekiel 11:5)
Ruach Hakkodesh = The Holy Spirit (Isaiah 51:11)
Ruach Adonai Adonai = The Spirit of the LORD God (Isaiah 61:1)
Ruach-El = The Spirit of God (Job 33:4)

It thus becomes quite clear that the Jews of Israel had a remarkably developed cognition of the Trinitarian nature of the Godhead!

To help Old-Testament Jewish scholars understand the phenomenon of the Son of God becoming flesh as a fleshly descendant of God (see the geneologies of Jesus in Matthew chapter 1 and Luke chapter 3), Jesus asked the Jews whose son the Son of God is, and they replied that he was prophesied to be the son of David, to which Jesus responded:

Mt 22:41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question,
42 saying, "What do you think of the Christ? Whose son is he?" They said to him, "The son of David."
43 He said to them, "How is it then that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
44 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, till I put thy enemies under thy feet'?
45 If David thus calls him Lord, how is he his son?"
46 And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did any one dare to ask him any more questions.

Engrained right within the Jewish Bible of Law, Prophets, and Writings, the concept of a Supreme-Power Savior who resurrects and judges is evident:

Job 19:25 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at last he will stand upon the earth;
26 and after my skin has been thus destroyed, then from my flesh I shall see God,
27 whom I shall see on my side, and my eyes shall behold, and not another.

Deuteronomy 6:4 in effect reads: "Hear O Israel, Yahweh our Elohim is one Yahweh (i.e. Jehovah our GOD is one Jehovah). Again, along with Yahweh and Elohim (trinitarian plurality) is included the Son Adonai and the Holy Spirit (i.e. Spirit of God).

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It sounds like andersbranderud's "journey" could very easily have gone another way, like the way of the "American Taliban" kid.

Wake up and smell the coffee, andersbranderud, there is just no way anyone can reconcile Zionist Israel's anger, hate, violence and crimes with the Torâh.

Much to the detrimate off all decent Jews everywhere, the self-serving Zionists have hi-jacked Judaism to feed their own greed and lust for power.

Don't be the Zionist version of the American Taliban
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Jas 4:1 What causes wars, and what causes fightings among you? Is it not your passions that are at war in your members?
Jas 4:2 You desire and do not have; so you kill. And you covet and cannot obtain; so you fight and wage war. You do not have, because you do not ask.
Jas 4:3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.

Pr 3:30 Do not contend with a man for no reason, when he has done you no harm.

Ge 26:19 But when Isaac's servants dug in the valley and found there a well of springing water,
Ge 26:20 the herdsmen of Gerar quarreled with Isaac's herdsmen, saying, "The water is ours." So he called the name of the well Esek, because they contended with him.
Ge 26:21 Then they dug another well, and they quarreled over that also; so he called its name Sitnah.
Ge 26:22 And he moved from there and dug another well, and over that they did not quarrel; so he called its name Rehoboth, saying, "For now the LORD has made room for us, and we shall be fruitful in the land."

Nu 20:17 Now let us pass through your land. We will not pass through field or vineyard, neither will we drink water from a well; we will go along the King's Highway, we will not turn aside to the right hand or to the left, until we have passed through your territory."
Nu 20:18 But Edom said to him, "You shall not pass through, lest I come out with the sword against you."
Nu 20:19 And the people of Israel said to him, "We will go up by the highway; and if we drink of your water, I and my cattle, then I will pay for it; let me only pass through on foot, nothing more."
Nu 20:20 But he said, "You shall not pass through." And Edom came out against them with many men, and with a strong force.
Nu 21:22 "Let me pass through your land; we will not turn aside into field or vineyard; we will not drink the water of a well; we will go by the King's Highway, until we have passed through your territory."
Nu 21:23 But Sihon would not allow Israel to pass through his territory. He gathered all his men together, and went out against Israel to the wilderness, and came to Jahaz, and fought against Israel.

1Sa 25:3 Now the name of the man was Nabal, and the name of his wife Abigail. The woman was of good understanding and beautiful, but the man was churlish and ill-behaved; he was a Calebite.
1Sa 25:5 So David sent ten young men; and David said to the young men, "Go up to Carmel, and go to Nabal, and greet him in my name.
1Sa 25:9 When David's young men came, they said all this to Nabal in the name of David; and then they waited.
1Sa 25:10 And Nabal answered David's servants, "Who is David? Who is the son of Jesse? There are many servants nowadays who are breaking away from their masters.
1Sa 25:14 But one of the young men told Abigail, Nabal's wife, "Behold, David sent messengers out of the wilderness to salute our master; and he railed at them.
1Sa 25:19 And she said to her young men, "Go on before me; behold, I come after you." But she did not tell her husband Nabal.
1Sa 25:25 Let not my lord regard this ill-natured fellow, Nabal; for as his name is, so is he; Nabal is his name, and folly is with him; but I your handmaid did not see the young men of my lord, whom you sent.
1Sa 25:26 Now then, my lord, as the LORD lives, and as your soul lives, seeing the LORD has restrained you from bloodguilt, and from taking vengeance with your own hand, now then let your enemies and those who seek to do evil to my lord be as Nabal.
1Sa 25:34 For as surely as the LORD the God of Israel lives, who has restrained me from hurting you, unless you had made haste and come to meet me, truly by morning there had not been left to Nabal so much as one who urinated against a wall."
1Sa 25:36 And Abigail came to Nabal; and, lo, he was holding a feast in his house, like the feast of a king. And Nabal's heart was merry within him, for he was very drunk; so she told him nothing at all until the morning light.
1Sa 25:37 And in the morning, when the wine had gone out of Nabal, his wife told him these things, and his heart died within him, and he became as a stone.

1Sa 26:9 But David said to Abishai, "Do not destroy him; for who can put forth his hand against the LORD's anointed, and be guiltless?"
1Sa 26:11 The LORD forbid that I should put forth my hand against the LORD's anointed; but take now the spear that is at his head, and the jar of water, and let us go."

2Sa 16:5 When King David came to Bahurim, there came out a man of the family of the house of Saul, whose name was Shimei, the son of Gera; and as he came he cursed continually.
2Sa 16:7 And Shimei said as he cursed, "Begone, begone, you man of blood, you worthless fellow!
2Sa 16:13 So David and his men went on the road, while Shimei went along on the hillside opposite him and cursed as he went, and threw stones at him and flung dust.
2Sa 19:21 Abishai the son of Zeruiah answered, "Shall not Shimei be put to death for this, because he cursed the LORD's anointed?"
2Sa 19:22 But David said, "What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah, that you should this day be as an adversary to me? Shall any one be put to death in Israel this day? For do I not know that I am this day king over Israel?"
2Sa 19:23 And the king said to Shimei, "You shall not die." And the king gave him his oath.
1Ki 2:8 And there is also with you Shimei the son of Gera, the Benjaminite from Bahurim, who cursed me with a grievous curse on the day when I went to Mahanaim; but when he came down to meet me at the Jordan, I swore to him by the LORD, saying, 'I will not put you to death with the sword.'
1Ki 2:9 Now therefore hold him not guiltless, for you are a wise man; you will know what you ought to do to him, and you shall bring his gray head down with blood to Sheol."

1Sa 15:33 And Samuel said, "As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women." And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.
Mt 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
Lu 6:37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
1Sa 17:51 Then David ran and stood over the Philistine, and took his sword and drew it out of its sheath, and killed him, and cut off his head with it. When the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.
Mt 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
Ro 13:2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Mt 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
Job 19:29 be afraid of the sword, for wrath brings the punishment of the sword, that you may know there is a judgment."
Ro 13:4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.
Re 19:21 And the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth; and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

Mt 5:39 But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
1Pe 5:9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world.

Pr 22:10 Drive out a scoffer, and strife will go out, and quarreling and abuse will cease.
1Co 5:13 God judges those outside. "Drive out the wicked person from among you."

Pr 24:29 Do not say, "I will do to him as he has done to me; I will pay the man back for what he has done."
Ro 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.
1Th 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all.
1Pe 3:9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing.
Ro 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Heb 10:30 For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge his people."
1Ti 5:20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.
Tit 1:13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,

Jer 28:15 And Jeremiah the prophet said to the prophet Hananiah, "Listen, Hananiah, the LORD has not sent you, and you have made this people trust in a lie.
Jer 28:16 Therefore thus says the LORD: 'Behold, I will remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you shall die, because you have uttered rebellion against the LORD.'"
Jer 28:17 In that same year, in the seventh month, the prophet Hananiah died.

Ac 5:1 But a man named Ananias with his wife Sapphira sold a piece of property,
Ac 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land?
Ac 5:5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear came upon all who heard of it.

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