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Old 06-13-2008, 10:34 AM   #1
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Arrow People with higher IQs are less likely to believe in God

People with higher IQs are more likely not to believe in a mythical Deity,

Professor Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, said many more members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists.

The decline in religious observance over the last century is directly linked to a rise in average intelligence, he said.

Professor Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past with research linking intelligence to race and sex, said university academics were less likely to have religious beliefs than almost anyone else.

A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God - at a time when 68.5 per cent of the general UK population described themselves as believers or agnostic.
A separate poll in the 90s found only seven per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God.

Professor Lynn said most primary school children believed in God, but as they entered adolescence - and their intelligence increased - they started to question the belief system.

"Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs do not to believe in God."

He said religious belief had declined dramatically across 137 developed nations in the 20th century at the same time as people became more intelligent.

But Professor Gordon Lynch, director of the Centre for Religion and Contemporary Society at Birkbeck College, London, said it should have also taken into account the complex range of social, economic and historical factors.

"Linking religious belief and intelligence in this way would encourage the trend of developing a simplistic characterisation of religion as primitive" he said.

Dr David Hardman, principal lecturer in learning development at London Metropolitan University, said: "It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief. Nonetheless, there is evidence that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability - to question and overturn strongly felt religious beliefs. "
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Angry Scores of Ph.D. scientists are Biblical creationists!

The previous post is simply another babbling of some asinine
anti-religious dolt with a pernicious proclivity to portray another
fulfilment of the Scripture stating:

"The fool has said in his heart: 'There is no God.'

Corrupt are such reviling disbelievers and goofs as they blatter
their peculiar, weird, and strange, heads-up-their-asses blasphemies.

"But a stupid man will get understanding, when a wild donkey's colt
is born a man" [Job 11:12 - RSV]

Again:

Ps 10:6 He thinks in his heart, "I shall not be moved; throughout all enerations I shall not meet adversity."
Ps 10:11 He thinks in his heart, "God has forgotten, he has hidden his face, he will never see it."
Ps 10:13 Why does the wicked renounce God, and say in his heart, "Thou wilt not call to account"?
Ps 14:1 To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none that does good.
Ps 36:1 To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David, the servant of the LORD. Transgression speaks to the wicked deep in his heart; there is no fear of God before his eyes.
Ps 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; his steps do not slip.
Ps 53:1 To the choirmaster: according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity; there is none that does good.
Ps 55:21 His speech was smoother than butter, yet war was in his heart; his words were softer than oil, yet they were drawn swords.
Pr 26:24 He who hates, dissembles with his lips and harbors deceit in his heart;
Pr 26:25 when he speaks graciously, believe him not, for there are seven abominations in his heart....

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I've find it fascinating whenever you start questioning religion you always get brainwashed religous freak'o's quoting from their little bookie ......

How well conditioned are you !!!! lOOK ... Religion is a tool , It's how you force the morals of a minority with a 'whole load of ignorence thrown in' onto the majority and when you teach the biggest lie in society to your kids the second they pop out of the womb your going to get a whole load of trouble.

I think more of you should study the history of human nature than a book that was written by man for man for the purpose of acquiring power and influence through the vacum of the more ignorant the people the better and just to show that i can quote from books written by other people ......

Eighty years ago, Marmaduke Pickthall, the British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran, wrote: "It was not until the Western nations broke away from their religious law that they became more tolerant, and it was only when the Muslims fell away from their religious law that they declined in tolerance."

and from me ......

Hopefully one day in the future people of this world will be more pro-dominant instead of as subservient as we are now, I think we should do this sooner instead of later because the religious fundamentalists of all faiths are going to get a lot of people killed and over what ?

Religion is an insult to human dignity, a tool used by a minority to enforce their morals on everyone else whether they like it or not. History shows what can happen in the name of religion.

With or without religion, good people will still do good things and bad people will still do bad things, but for good people to do evil things? It takes religion.

Now let 'my' slaughter begin
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:59 PM   #4
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SOLD-MY-SOUL-TO-SATAN (i.e. SMSTS):
I've find it fascinating whenever you start questioning religion you always get brainwashed religous freak'o's quoting from their little bookie ......

ICORIGIN: Maybe self-righteous SMSTS will edit a correction in his ridiculous misspelling of "religous" above? How about also re-doing: "freak'o's?" What is "little bookie" supposed to infer? That it is small? YOU try to write what has been called by scholars of distinction the finest and most comprehensive literature in all human history. And "bookie?" Are you insinuating that it is childish? In reality, YOU the judge are judged - and it is YOU who are immature and childish. Of course, that is only my opinion, but that does not make my opinion wrong. Perhaps others in authority over you will weigh in on that one. There ARE such entities as law enforcement, lawsuits, attorneys, judges, courts, fines, imprisonment, and death-penalty executions.....and it is possible that unusual things never expected do happen.

First of all, your name says it all: "Sold My Soul To Satan."
Fascinating it is that someone who poo-poohs religion would base his very identity name on an obvious religious source.

Satan, of course, is the Ultimate Teller of Half-Lies (NOT half-"truths"). It started with Eve in the Garden, by the Serpent suggesting doubt against God's Word and also proclaiming a half-lie that she "will not die." But in fact, Eve started to physiologically and biologically deteriorate - thus die - the moment she took and ate the forbidden fruit. She died erotically by becoming ashamed of her public nudity. Her entire (not "whole") body eventually completely died, and had she not repented, her soul would have continued to die perpetually in the eternall fiery torment of Hades and outer-darkness Lake of Fire.

Perhaps Satan should instead have stated: "If you take and eat the forbidden fruit contrary to God's command, you will not die completely in every way immediately, but why screw yourself and everyone else up by disobeying the Creator's directive to not eat any of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?"

But Satan, the Father of Lies and Murderer From the Beginning did NOT say that. He rather continued His accusatory attack of attempting to cause doubt in Christ Jesus Himself by twice stating: IF You are the Son of God.....

IF???

No WONDER Christ did not perform any Satan-suggested miracles of changing stones into hunger-satisfying bread nor sensationally jumping off the temple to prove some demonic point.

Those sinners-but-saints who did miracles recorded in "the little bookie" (as
SMSTS would libel it) were called by God to do whatever specific miracles God wanted them to and empowered them to do at HIS will....never human nor satanic will.

SMSTS: How well conditioned are you !!!! lOOK ... Religion is a tool , It's how you force the morals of a minority with a 'whole load of ignorence thrown in' onto the majority and when you teach the biggest lie in society to your kids the second they pop out of the womb your going to get a whole load of trouble.

ICORIGIN: So SMSTS infers that I myself or other Bible believers are "forcing" a "minority" with "ignorance" against "the majority" and teaching "the biggest lie in history?"

Does God "force" people to obey his Biblically-stated directives? If one gets drunk, drives into God's created tree, and become paralyzed from the neck down, has the Creator's tree thus "forced" the from-then-on-handicapped drunkard to get drunk? To run into a tree? To paralyze himself from the neck down? Is the BENIGN created tree to blame for ANY part of the whole scenario? Why should the Creator's tree have moved to accomodate the violating-Scripture-and-common-sense drunkard? "Will God then make requittal to suit YOU, because YOU reject it?" (Job 34:33) A rhetorical question, to which the obvious answer is: NO! Maybe a criminal injury lawsuit against the Creator is in order to try to compensate for one's own stupidity and carelessness? Not.

So who set SMSTS up as the Ultimate Judge of What is Correct? On what basis does SMSTS purport all-inclusive all-comprehensive condemnation of those SMSTS has injustly reviled and condemned? What is his proof that "religion" is "the biggest lie in history" with "a whole load of ignorance?" Is his case against the Creator, and/or against those who do their best to love and accomodate to that Creator and what He has created? If SMSTS has set himself against the Creator, there is nothing but trouble ahead for SMSTS, because - as mentioned in the example of the disobedient drunkard becoming a paralytic because of his own intoxicated fault - the more SMSTS in non-hypocritical operational behavior does not accomodate to the Creator's creation, the more SMSTS will hurt himself to his own detriment - NOT any detriment against the Creator nor perhaps against most of the created humans who do accomodate as much as they do to the Creator and His created phenomena and physical natural-law principles. If relentlessly-impenitent SMSTS opposes the creation of the Creator enough, SMSTS will thankfully destroy himself, and society will be gratefully rid of one socially-adversarial and anti-social scumbag who was a serious pain in everyone's behind.

The attack in progress is both against the anti-Christian, anti-religious, anti-Biblical heretical revilings and errant dogma of SMSTS....and by necessity against SMSTS personally.

SMSTS: I think more of you should study the history of human nature than a book that was written by man for man for the purpose of acquiring power and influence through the vacum of the more ignorant the people the better and just to show that i can quote from books written by other people ......

ICORIGIN: SMSTS is presuming (not "assuming") that [the Bible?] was written by man without divine inspiration from God. He seems to be condemning to those who quote from the books of the Bible, with the baseless accusation that power and influence is the goal of such Bible quoters, with the intention of Bible-quoters purveying ignorance.
What did the New Testament say about "those who suppress the truth" and because of "the ignorance that is in them?"

SYSTS: Eighty years ago, Marmaduke Pickthall, the British scholar of Islam and translator of the Quran, wrote: "It was not until the Western nations broke away from their religious law that they became more tolerant, and it was only when the Muslims fell away from their religious law that they declined in tolerance."

ICORIGIN: Why SMSTS quotes from some purported "scholar" of the blasphemous RELIGIOUS cult of Islam and the Qu'ran again is intriguiging, being that a RELIGIOUS reference again is being cited by SMSTS.....which is strange, being that SMSTS appears intent on attempting to destroy religion by religious references. Moreover, simply quoting some other heretic as some sort of deviant substitution to the Bible does not legitimitize faulty propositions of either heretic.

SMSTS: Hopefully one day in the future people of this world will be more pro-dominant instead of as subservient as we are now, I think we should do this sooner instead of later because the religious fundamentalists of all faiths are going to get a lot of people killed and over what ?

ICORIGIN: Who is going to murder whom? WHO is going to FALSELY judge and condemn WHO? The "we" that SMSTS referred to above applies to himself and his aberrant ilk who concur with him - with genuine Christians excluded from that "we" reference of his.

SMSTS: Religion is an insult to human dignity, a tool used by a minority to enforce their morals on everyone else whether they like it or not. History shows what can happen in the name of religion.

ICORIGIN: Actually, SMSTS is an insult to human dignity, and if SMSTS is insulted by the religion he quotes from and against, he deserves to be insulted. In fact, the temporal and eternal insulting will go far beyond what SMSTS can ever imagine, when the Almighty in the person of Jesus Christ has His angels toss an non-penitential SMSTS reviler into the fiery outer darkness he is understandably destined for.

SMSTS:With or without religion, good people will still do good things and bad people will still do bad things, but for good people to do evil things? It takes religion.

ICORIGIN: As Saint Paul stated in Romans chapter 2 of the New Testament:
Those who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and those who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For good people to do good things takes religion....and thank God that the few good people who generally do good things do good things.

SMSTS: Now let 'my' slaughter begin

ICORIGIN: Do you plan to slaughter anyone, including me? You better be faster on the trigger, and whatever else. Perhaps I can use a scoped high-powered rifle better than you, and have more training in tactical stealth operations. Besides, 911 is just a cellphone call away, and our very-responsive local suburban police and county sheriff get to where the action is pretty fast.
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It's possible those who think instead of blindly believing the illogical question claims like:
>God is Almighty and All-powerful - but, he is not responsible for the many evil deeds inflicted on the world.
>God created everything that exists - yet, he was nowhere when he performed this amazing feat.
>God will kill you if you eat pork - no need to understand how viruses and parasites started this myth.
>God placed three-million-year-old fossils in the ground for us to dig up. This was intended to replace television, or what?

The rebuttals to the article are based solely on faith and disregard logic. The article simply reports statistical fact.
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Icorigin thx !! your rant says more about religion than i could ever put into words...
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I believe there is a world and a universe, and I believe in the power of a puppy to invoke a smile in almost every person. I believe the love I have for my husband and my son will last at least as long as I do. I believe dogs are better than cats and I believe there has been way too many bad things done in the name of Religion.
Is there anything else to believe - the world you live in, the cuteness of puppies and family love? There's not really much else is there?
Feel free to swap cat and dog around if you want, I don't mind, I just won't agree with you on it!
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Rather than relinquish to the rants of Satan's reviling fool . . .

Feel free to explore TCCSA - Twin Cities Creation Science Association Home Page at your convenience.

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