BONA FIDE

Jesus Christ

Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn out of context:

1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not God.

2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.

3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt 26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.

4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God.

5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.


Conclusion

The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what basis have you come to believe otherwise?

My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.

If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.



What is the word of God about Jesus:

A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:

That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an 19:34,35).

And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant (Qur'an 19:88-93).

Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an 3:59).

People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not, 'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)


B. Regarding Jesus being God:

And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of everything. (Quran 5:116,117)


C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:

And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159)

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Icorigin

Referencing the antisemitic Qu'ran (i.e. Koran) of satanic
verses is an obvious indication of blasphemous ignorance
against the true nature of Jesus Christ.

A few Scriptures will clarify.

Jesus stated in the gospel of John: "Before Abraham was,
I AM."

Jesus stated: "I and the Father are one."

Jesus stated: "How can you say, 'Show us the Father.'
He who has seen Me has seen the Father.

Isaiah states: "And [Jesus] shall be called Wonderful,
Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the
Prince of Peace."

The writer of the New Testament book of Hebrews chapter 1
states that the Son of God (i.e. Jesus) "founded the earth
in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of His hands."

First John 5:7 states that there are a trinitarian group of
Three Witnesses: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit,
and those three are one.

Saint Paul states in Colossians that all things were created by
and through Jesus Christ.

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Granny says ya better believe in Jesus...

... or she gonna thump ya onna head.

Icorigin

Granny is right this time.

Pertaining to SEX DRAFT (intro only):

Recently, a particular synod of the Lutheran Church headquartered in the quad-state areas of Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois, has issued a Draft of a Social Statement pertaining to Human Sexuality.

Why synod leaders and associated clergy with congregants have done so is in response to the imposition of certain ecclesiasically-affiliated individuals of a homosexual immentality attempting to establish or maintain their religious authority as rostered clergy with all the reputational and financial benefits involved, which identifiable and anonymous individuals demand acceptance of same-gender blessings for cohabitational sodomy relationships and pseudo-"marriage" sexual unions.

In the process of responding to such homosexual harassment, synod authors of the Draft Statement have broadened the scope of their analysis of homosexuality alone into a dissertation of human-sexuality problems in general.

However, there has been heated and fervent criticism and derision against that divisive dissertation in that those strongly opposing and objecting to the semantics of the Human Sexuality Draft have accused Draft authors of conferring more importance and accomodation to fickle and constantly-changing culture of wayward inhabitants within surrounding interdependent neighborhoods and communities, misleading broadcast and printed media propaganda, along with falsely-"scientific" deviant human "education" and "knowledge" of purportedly-"expert" subversive educrats resulting in faulty and errant secular-government legislation and non-civil "civil"-court misrulings rife and reeking with adversive anti-patriarchal pro-feminist-sexist and even immorality and indecency-tolerating laws and statutes based upon questionable, impure, and polluted "contemporary community standards"......rather than "Scripture" of sometimes-non-defined manuscripts and non-specified translations containing particular verses suspiciously applied to concerns in question.

Is such an outlook "discriminatory" or "prejudicially bigoted and biased?"

Such is - in fact - tasteful discrimination!. Rightly so!

Understandably, any honestly-reflective and truly-representative Social Statement about Human Sexuality from a sectarian (though not necessarily "cultic") denomination of Christ's Church as a whole must of necessity be based upon The Bible with pertinent verses therein (which "Bible" is precisely known and available in the best of the King James Version and the Revised Standard Version and New American Standard Version of God's Word, synthesized from the inerrant ben-Ashur Masoretic Hebrew Text of the Old Testament as found in Biblia Hebraica edited by Rudolf Kittel, plus the inerrant Scrivener Trinitarian Greek Text of the New Testament (excluding corrupt discrepancies of the faulty Nestle, Westcott/Hort, UBS, and other spurious textual mis-concoctions such as the somewhat-Trinitarian text edited by Gene Ricker Berry, who laughably but diabolically inserted his own non-authorized Greek-text verse at the end of his interlinear mis-translation of the book of Romans, giving authorship of the book of Romans to Phoebe, which Phoebe is instead simply mentioned as a deaconess in Romans 16:1).

The entire Christian church - comprised of the best of Catholics, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians, Covenant, Baptist, Assemblies of God, Evangelical Free, Lutherans, Mormons? and many others - all agree that atonement against sins is not done by one's faith, works, obedience, disobedience, or any other human initiative, merit, achievement, disgrace, or action. Christ (i.e. Jesus only!) is our Perfect Sacrificial Atonement....and Christ HIMSELF alone. Grace gifts from the Father of lights such as our frequently-dependable faith and our sometimes-reliable works are our given mechanisms of positive response to what Christ has done for us and what we nor any other entity in existence could do for us relating to salvation by - again - Christ alone! - not OUR frequently-faltering faith alone nor works. Such are not only revealed in the Creator's benign but sovereign and immovable natural phenomena, but especially in His non-alterable Word.

Applying Scripture to the issues of [aberrant] same-gender cohabitation-sodomy cravings, covert or overt relationships of such, and consequential fake-"marriage" unions of those so sexually oriented, a quick but quite legitimate reference to the following Scripture immediately sets the Divine Standard:

Le 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Le 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.
Ro 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
Ro 1:27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the non-righteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [Gr. malakoi], nor sodomites [Gr. arsenokoitai],
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Clearly, what is "natural" according to the inference of the above Scripture references is heterosexual erotic relationships, and the ACTUAL-Text words effeminate and sodomites of First Corinthians chapter 6 relating to gender distinction and to healthy/wholesome relationships of the opposite sex (NOT same sex). Concordantly, a despicable desire to cross-dress in other-gender clothing as a deplorable transvestite is likewise forbidden by the verse:

De 22:5 "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.

especially by those who are voluntarily pierced or have themselves defaced with engrained bodily graffiti in defiance against:

Le 19:28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

A thorough and exhaustive study of the entire Old and New Testaments of The HOLY BIBLE never mentions nor makes any allowance for acceptable homosexual unions of humans. Indeed, the fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (mentioned in Genesis 18, 19, 29; Isaiah 1 and 13; Jeremiah 23 and 49 and 50; Amos 4 and Zephaniah 2; Luke 17; II Peter 2; and Jude 1) was the direct, by-no-human-hand, Creator-God, historically-documented punishment against the homoperverts of such geographical localities on planet Earth.

A satanic misunderstanding (by certain sometimes-subtle but flagrant fierce-wolf people who have snuck into God's flock to defile them) against (and not of) the true and actual nature of GENUINE Christian love (contrasted with lust).....of AUTHENTIC godly and justifiable patience and tolerance and forgiveness (contrasted with cowardly lenience or men-pleaser men-fearing indifference to required justice and righteousness).....and of the SACRED never-ending non-abrogation of the Law which Jesus Himself never abolished but rather promised to enforce every jot and tittle......has confused some relating to proper response to trouble-causers entering and within the Church.

In stark contrast to demonically-heretical calls for "welcoming forgiveness" and "non-judgmental, non-biased and non-bigoted, unconditional love" pertaining to impenitent homoperverts entering or within the Church, obvious response to petitioners for same-gender clergy for continuing rostership and for same-sexual cohabitational-sodomy-union blessings is therefore:

1Co 5:11 But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber - not even to eat with such a one.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
1Co 5:13 God judges those outside. "Drive out the wicked person from among you."
1Ti 5:20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.
2Ti 4:2 preach the word, be urgent in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching.
Tit 1:13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith....

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